I’m joined this week by a couple members of the Richmond Flying Squirrels: RHP Mason Black, the Giants 3rd round pick in 2021 out of Lehigh University, and infielder Hayden Cantrelle, whom the Giants acquired from Miami last year.
Mason and I talk modern training methods, arm care regime, the mental side of the game, searching for the perfect breaking pitch and much more. Hayden tells me what it felt like going through three different organizations in little more than a month’s time and how he maintained his course through that experience. He also gives some insight into a question that many fans had in the days of 40 round drafts — why do teams draft some high school players they don’t intend to sign? There are reasons!
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Mason Black (2:00)
Hayden Cantrelle (16:00)
Intro/Outro: “Alright” by Supergrass
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MASON BLACK TRANSCRIPT:
RM: All right, Mason, how you doing? How's the how's how you feel about the start of the season?
MB: Everything's been great. A lot of fun being back on the East Coast obviously had some family you got to come see last week so really enjoyed it here. Especially Richmond weather's beautiful, so can't say enough good things.
RM: This is actually one of the best Aprils I've seen on here. So far. This is pretty sweet weather. Sweet. Yeah. Awesome. So I think a lot of people know that, in an alternate universe you might have gone to med school. I wonder if I could rely on some of your your Med School knowledge to ask you some things that we're seeing in pitcher training regimens that I think people hear about a lot, but they maybe don't understand.
MB: Okay, I'll try my best but I did not go to med school. That's just a disclaimer.
RM: Right. Not a real doctor, right? Yeah. Well, let's start with pylo balls. Okay, they're everywhere in the game. They seem to have really revolutionized training. What exactly are they and what did they do for you?
MB? There's overspeed and under speed one so either heavier than the traditional weight of a baseball or lighter and what they've helped for me at least I know the guys might use it for different mechanisms, but I like to use them as kind of like training how my body should feel so like put a heavier weight in your arm and just move how your body should feel. It gives you almost like a hypersensitivity to like how you're supposed to be moving that way you get a feel for and you can apply it in your actual catch by what's the lighter one did the lighter one is more of like an arm speed thing that allows you it's a little bit like gives you a little bit more fluid motion. So you can kind of train the the heavy stuff first and then move into the lighter ball and just feel like that looseness in your arm. Like just really relax it.
RM: Do some of them help you with with spin. Are there other pylo balls that help you get shape on pitches better?
MB: Not necessarily. Or at least that's not what I use it for. I'm sure if you talk to probably 10 other guys they would have different answers. But I like it. There is just like the aspect of like supinating when I throw the ball or when I throw a plyo ball I tried to supinate and just like try to mimic my natural arm slot so I guess you can say it does have some aspects of turning that that spin but it might not be directly spin grade correlated more of like a spin. Like altering like getting that good supination around the ball.
RM: There's a thing I see so I'll come in the the word visitors guys are warming up. There's a thing I see all the time. And it's like, pitchers get down on their knee with their back to a wall and then they take what he's saying and throw it backwards against the wall as hard as they can. And you look at it like looks like my shoulder would come out of it’s socket. what what are you doing? What are they trying to do when they do that?
MB: That is called a reverse throw. It's almost like step A when you learn how to use bio balls. That's like the first thing you always do. And I think I speak for almost 90% of our pitches where we just all do that one. It's just something that we're taught. And I mean for me at least I like the counter rotation aspect of it like you feel like you're reverse like pulling a seatbelt. Like you're almost unclipping a seatbelt so it takes you from like that lower left side to that upper right side for right hander, and it's kind of like I use it as like a priming the system kind of thing. Like just get the scab engage. Get like the mid back to, you know, that lower left side really firing.
RM: So you're I think we're two days out from your next start. So where in the whole kind of arm care regimen between starts, would you be doing something like that?
MB: I do those every day, actually. Every day and that's something that our our front office and pitching coordinators all the way from the top down really emphasize is just having that consistent routine that like gets you going for every single day. So I do the reverse throws as well as a couple other quiet ball drills every day just to feel good, whether it's 11am 9am like yesterday or or nice five feet here
RM: just kind of wakes wakes up the system
MB: Oh yeah.
RM: There was the other night Sean Manaea was pitching in the Giants game and I forget who it was. It was Javy Lopez with somebody was saying that he said this year is the first time he'd ever had an arm care routine, which is kind of hard to imagine. Is that something new that you guys get when you come to pro ball? Is it just like does this anything you guys know about when you're college or is this is this pro and how do you like figure it out?
MB: It really is trial and error. I do have to say I mean coming into pro ball I really didn't have like an arm care like are a day after I got to do this day two days after I got to do this. It was just kind of like in college. I mean, you always feel you're like a rubber band and you're at 19 years old feels great. You're like I could do a couple arm circles that I'm good to throw whereas like now it's like now you're throwing every day. It's like you do have to kind of structure your weeks around when you're going to pitch and I actually enjoy it just because like we've had incredible like strength staff and everything that'll work with you a ton and just finding what works for you. I've really enjoyed doing that so far.
RM: So there's what you're doing now like basically the same or very different from what you're doing a year ago and you're in San Jose.
MB: It's a lot of parts of it are the same. I do that another lift in like the day before but for the most part it's been like pretty consistent just like hopped on the Giants, rotator cuff and SCAP strengthening programs and then kind of pick and choose what I like add that in there but the structure is almost the same. So it's been enjoyable. People smarter than me foot made that so I'll take their word for it. It's been helping. I was able to throw a lot of things last year so it ain't broke don't fix it.
RM: Is a lot of it just listening to your body like I'm four days out from the starter How do I feel kind of thing? Is that just basically feeling your body?
MB: Yeah, a lot of it is just like feeling it out with like, Oh, I'm like I'm kind of hanging today might be a good day to take it easier on the throwing side of things and really focus on the weight room side.
RM: When you were at Lehigh I think the story was that that you kind of changed your mechanics going into your final year and then changed more or back or something once you got into pro ball. How did that sort of progression go? Like what were you changing and what were you trying to accomplish when you're going through those various changes?
MB: Well, if you went ahead and did some advanced scouting on me, my freshman and sophomore years at Lehigh, I had this real long arm action like at footstrike My arm was never in the same spot twice. And while it was like I was good, I was able to throw strikes for the most part and really just like command my off speed. It wasn't I didn't think what was gonna get me into pro ball or make me make that like next step in my development like it was almost like a cap. So I went ahead and took a risk and change my arm action a little bit alongside of one of our coaches. At Lehigh. And while it did backfire in the short term, I think like long term I was able to get to where I am now and had not done that it probably would have. I probably wouldn't be here. I could tell you that much. But yeah, just as like, it was almost like an overemphasis of like a shorter arm action and trying to get that arm consistent at footstrike and then once like as the year progressed, it kind of went back to more of like a neutral position between my old arm path and that recent like for short one so kind of like averaged out and got me into a good spot.
RM: So where are you now? Are you kind of at the shortest end of where you've been, are you in between?
MB: I'm in between. So I mean, I still had some control issues when I shorten things up a lot. So I think going back to like that neutral in between my really long one and that shorter one is out
RM: Basically the last year last year and so far this year your control had been pretty impeccable. I don't think you've walked a guy yet this year. Certainly in San Jose, you know, the walks have been very, very limited as a pro. Have you gotten into a place where you feel like I'm a reliable strike thrower. I feel confident that I'm going to be able to get ahead of counts at this point.
MB: I think so. Yeah. And a lot of that is not only like physical but it is on the mental side of things like just from the top down like pitching coordinators and pitching coaches like oh, he preaches it as well as like, we do have to own the zone and if your stuff is is good enough, then you should be able to throw the ball in the zone and kind of limit damage so that's the mentality I've kind of taken into pro ball is just like, at the end of the day, I'm not going to get beat by myself by walking guys. I want to force contact and force the other team to beat me. And just like from the mental skill side of things, I've had a lot of help to with that. So I've really appreciated it
RM: I was gonna ask you a breaking ball, but now that you bring up mental skills, that's that's kind of like a fascinating part of player development to me. How do you use kind of the mental skills resources that the the organization has to help kind of refine your craft or help develop yourself whether it's as a player or as a person?
MB: Definitely, it's something I definitely didn't take enough advantage of in college because we had a school psychologist, a baseball psychologist, and I just like I almost saw it as as something you needed if you were struggling and instead of someone who's there for you, whether you're doing well or not well, so it's it was something that getting into pro ball and we had Kellen Lee with us last year and he spent a lot of time in San Jose that so just picking his brain up and talking about visualization and just like the mental steps that you can take going into an outing yourself tremendously. Yeah.
RM: It's a big thing, obviously for this organization that it's not a weakness, right. It's helping make your strength. Okay, I do want to talk about your breaking up. I was watching a game years in spring and I was just talking to a scout who had seen you really early last year in San Jose says oh, the shape of his sliders are different this year. And I'm like, Oh, do you mean it's less weepy? And he said, No, it's more sweeping. I'm like, well, that's weird. When I saw him in Eugene, the end of the year. I thought it was pretty sweeping. It's like, Oh, I saw him the early in the year in San Jose and it was it was more vertical. How have you been experimenting? What experimentation you've been dealing with the shape of your breaking ball the last two seasons?
MB: like everything is trial and error. I do have to say coming into pro ball really didn't have that any shape in mind as to what I was looking for. So finally getting on track man. This was early on, like last spring training. Just like them telling me oh, we want you to throw a sweeper and I was like, okay, cool. So it just I would try it and it just naturally swept across the zone. So I was like, Alright, I think I could do this stick on board. And then we'd like it would come and go lose it here and there and I think this year I've taken the approach of like recognizing why it's going south, and why it's turning into more of a traditional slider. And then there's also like the crossfire aspect that they you've mentioned in one of the tweets in the past that's helped to get more east west on things and just try to create separation between that and the sink or
RM: is it something where you you'd actually like to be able to manipulate a couple shapes on it, you know, based on right hand or left hand or or guy swings or something like that. Is that a place you want to get to? Or do you want to have one really consistent shape?
MB: I think manipulation is the ultimate goal just being able to to throw it you know if a left hander is up you want to get more depth on it or right hander you want to get off the barrow some more sweep, but I mean right now I think it's folks it's just get it in the zone at a consistent rate and then we'll worry about that stuff later. I've been lucky to to get away with like throwing like four seems didn't sinkers and everything else change up in the zone a little bit more. So definitely have to get that change or slider working more this year.
RM: you mentioned the change up. You've been drilling something that has like a pretty good downward movement or is that the changeup Are you throwing a splitter this year? What's going on with your your your other pitch for pitch,
MB: I like to call it a “splange” for lack of a better term, it's got a splitter spin but splitter spin rate I guess you could say but you kind of oriented more so of a way that it it has like a changeup action where it grabs the seams in such a way that it has that more downer shade.
RM: What was it? What was the word used for that
MB: A “splangeup.”
RM: Yeah. I like that term. I will now we seem like you're in a pretty good place this year. Yeah, I mean, just like mentally physically performance on the field and things are going pretty well for you this year.
MB: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. We have a great group of guys here and obviously having fat Bailey catch me a lot but also Martorano and Andy Thomas and [Auerbach] to like having that group behind the dish. Let's see worry a lot less about catching and just more about pitching and because you know they're gonna pick you up as well as our whole defense. Like, guys have been killing it this year. So I can't say enough good things about this team in this group.
RM: When I talked to Bailey last week, he said basically, he doesn't want you guys to think on the mound. Like just do it. Just get out there and do it. Is that that kind of what you want to do too.
MB: Yeah. Well, I know he knows me. He knows I like to think so, sometimes he’ll yell at me like give me a little kick every once in a while but it's all in good nature. Good fun.
RM: Well, things have been going pretty pretty good so far this year. Great last year, obviously. wish you continued success and I can't wait to watch.
MB: Appreciate it! Thanks.
HAYDEN CANTRELLE TRANSCRIPT:
RM: All right. Good to meet you. How are you feeling? How are things going this year for you,
HC: you as well. Happy to be here with a new group of guys. You know, things have been going great so far. You know, it's a good chemistry group of guys, you know, you know, motivating everybody to get better in their craft and so you know, coming out and playing on a nightly basis and entertaining here in Richmond. It's been fun so far.
RM: So you talk about a new group of guys, obviously, you know, a lot of people at this level are going to be this is the only organization they've ever known. That's not the case for you. You went through, like to in a month, basically last year, what was that like for you?
HC: It was, it was very chaotic. I, I think I had a lot of a lot of questions about you know, where I was gonna go or, you know why or you could ask all that but, you know, for myself, you know, I just grew to my routines day to day, you know, that's what got me through that transition. And then you know, getting placed with the Giants eventually has been a good fit. And, you know, it's been great to work with my craft with a bunch of really good developers in this organization. You know, as I as I've had the other organizations but you know, it's more people, you know, invested in my career and grateful for that. You.
RM: One thing you'll often hear from from guys is when you get into pro ball, there's obviously a lot of really smart people bringing you information. Sometimes it can be overwhelming confusing. I assume when you go through a lot of several different organizations, they all have their own kind of way of doing things. It can be even more confusing. How'd you like stay true to kind of your path through that stuff?
HC: Yeah, I think one thing's for sure is you know, I had my own you know, adjustments I was looking to make and that in that sense and so for for every ballplayer I guess you know, I can speak for myself, you know the day to day grind is about bettering yourself and bettering your craft. So in more ways than one, you know, you have indicators of success and measures of things you need to work on. And that's that's what you really try to focus on, you know, going from team to team and then you know, when you step in between the lines with whoever it is, you know, it's that the theme is about winning. So that makes it simple. So, you know, day to day you work on your craft, you know, so at nighttime, you know, you can go play for your boys.
RM: Obviously, one reason why that's probably a good fit for you is you do a lot of things at this organization values. You have a really good eye at the play, you're disciplined you tend to walk you know more than you strike out. What's your kind of approach? At the plate? Who do you think of yourself when you're getting in the box?
HC: Well, I guess without telling you everything, you know, secrets quite quite simply, you know, you know if I'm in a funk or whatnot, you know, a little simple thing I'll tell my friends and myself is you know, just swing it swing at strikes and take balls. So, you know, in essence, you know, that's all that approach entails, you know, granted what day to day scouting reports and feels and you know, all of the other stuff that plays into the point four seconds of decision making is all is always that so you know, but to keep it simple, you know, just swing at the strikes and take the ball
RM: It’s the old like Ted Williams approach, but it sounds easy, but it's it's not that easy.
HC: Yeah, no, it's definitely been a lot of development. You know, there's a lot of work that goes you know, goes into scenes, you know, to make sure that you're in a position to do that, you know, at game time but you know, in the best way possible. If I can do that I'll have a good day at the park.
RM: You're also the switch hitter, which is your like natural side. When did you pick up switch hitting and where do you feel which side do you feel best that
HC: I've, I've been switching since I was six. I probably did it in T ball. I did it religiously. You know like left when there's a righty pitch and hit lefty by age 10 I was doing it full fledge. I grew up a righty originally though. So I would say you know when I'm really locked in, you know on lefties, right he's really fun, I would say but, you know, general day to day you know, it's could be flip of a coin for success on each one. So try not to put either one in a corner, you know, and limit the success there. But, you know, I do feel my switching and gives me a great opportunity to win each play to parents.
RM: It's funny because Bailey was saying he picked it up like pretty early 210 or so did you actually have opportunities to to hit right hand now? Did you see left handers when you're a kid much
HC: very, very interesting. You know, because once I started switching by age 10 You know the amount of times I hit right handed was very limited and it was it would beat me up mentally as a kid you know, grew up being really good right handed and I'd never get ready at bats. And then I remember at one point in high school, my coach suggested Hey, why don't we just hit left handed and I was like no, there no, there's a reason I just I feel like I haven't seen a lefty you know ever or at least a competitive lefty because you know, the left that you would see would be thrown 75 miles an hour or something like that. So right after college, you know, I'd say you know, in my first year of independent ball, I really started getting consistent as righty and that's when I really started seeing the you know, the switch hitting really start to flourish the way I'd wanted to, you know, my college career I was relatively successful righty compared to lefty but you know, in general the whole switching things just about how many times you see the guy you know, face more lefties you're gonna feel good and they're variety. You know, I'd say the hardest days are when they probably flip flop you for at bats, you probably go right left, right left but who knows sometimes that's what gets you you know on time and you know, maybe those are the fours that you hit on the button. So there's a switch here you try not to put any trends into that, you know, and the benefit to that is when you get to go in the batter's box it's it's always a brand new one slates always clean. You're always you know, just trying to compete.
RM: So you’re talking about growing up. I want to ask you about that. You know, you have all these like they're famous baseball hotbeds in the country, like we always have the Florida guy as well as other California guys. You grew up in Louisiana. What was the like, amateur youth baseball scene like where you grew up?
HC: Yeah, I mean, for me, I played a play a little bit of travel baseball, and so about 12 competitively, and in the state of Louisiana, the 12 year old circuit we all play like do triple is a major and there's probably a good six teams in Louisiana and we would all find each other on the weekends on the you know, on the tournaments and we would all go play the best baseball and there was among those kids, there's probably 50 division one college baseball players from that 12 year old circuit. So I dropped out doing that in high school. You know, I kind of was out of summer baseball and showcase baseball because I played football. So I was always training for the fall and you know, doing seven on sevens, you know, thrown all of those and then on the weekends, you know, never really got to play much travel baseball, but as far as the talent you know, in high school, you know, very, very competitive and Lafayette Louisiana and then there's tons of Louisiana talent you know spread throughout of all of those Division One universities and a lot of kids leave you know, because they have the opportunity to so very, you know, very warm weather climate. So, you know, for the kids who want to throw down year round, you know, they had the opportunity I wasn't one of those kids and I think that really saved my fire for it. You know, I got to go baseball hat this year. And that football you know, just go you know, let it rip. So, you know, and every year baseball comes around it was time to go again. So would you play football, I played I played quarterback my senior year, junior year I played receiver and return the punts and kickoffs. So I was probably probably the best receiver we got my got my my my opportunities for college football as a receiver. So yeah, running kicks back sometimes pawns, whatever. So sometimes that's scarier than getting in the bystanders 95 when that ball goes up, and you just you don't look down again, so
RM: Yeah. I still remember that myself to play. Well, you two sport guy in college?
HC: No, I didn't know I didn't think physically I was in a position to play division one football so maybe in another life perhaps? Yeah.
RM: I was looking at your baseball card. Before I talked and you actually played in some interesting kind of places. In your college career. One was like when you were maybe a rising freshman. You're up here. in Gaithersburg, Maryland, actually lived in gaithersburg for a while and never knew they had a competitive summer league. How did that happen? How do you find your way up here?
HC: That was so after my senior year, right after the draft, I got courtesy picked by the Yankees in the 48th round. And that opened up an opportunity for me to play in a college collegiate summer league. So you know, I was able to reach out as a prospect type player. And you know, I was able to go out there and gaithersburg Maryland was one of the few places that were allowing high school players as freshmen. So I got to play out there actually, Daniel Cabrera was my teammate in that league that summer on the other team. And, you know, it was a good opportunity, my first taste of college arms prior to going into my first fall as a freshman and so then that definitely prepared me but you know, definitely, definitely some empty environments you could say but you know, it's all about digging. It's all about digging deep and seeing what you got. Anyway, so it was about ball and getting innings in regardless of we enjoyed gaithersburg we had a good time. So
RM: That’s actually I think something fans never really understand is why the courtesy picks exist, but it's kind of like that way it opens doors and opportunities
HC: yeah, you know as much as you know, and I had no idea I actually tell the story of when I got drafted in high school. It's not as people don't really ask about that when they want to ask about the one that happened recently but when I was with that when that happened that summer, you know my family was going out for some trip or some run some errands and I was at home by myself for a good five hours last day of the draft you know, it all had fizzled any opportunity I was gonna go it was an automatic no at this point. So everybody was gone and I went and took a nap and I woke up to open my phone and it was frozen. But yeah, just a little something like that. You know where maybe the Yankees at the time were respected me as a player, whatever and but just little things like that, you know, opened a big opportunity. And, you know, turns out that's why I ended up getting invited to the Cape because I played that summer, the summer before so I'd got to play in the Cape Cod and that had changed my life as well. So big, big series of events, you know, that happened that way but you know, definitely help helps. And I'm grateful for that.
RM: Yeah, unfortunately, those those those rounds where the teams used to do that don't exist anymore, right. really psyched for kids. Exactly. Yeah, you played 22 years in the cape, which is unusual. The other thing you did that I thought was really interesting, what's 2020 When obviously everybody was scrambling to try and figure out how to how to help develop themselves. Yeah, you were in a little tournament. Joliet, Illinois, Chicago area or limited 14th thing to get an action. How did you how'd you find that?
HC: Yeah, very interesting. You know, 2020 hit very, very odd time and I'm like, you know, I love I'm a park rat. I love to go to the field and play I love to throw the ball take fungos wherever so 2020 hit and all of the local college players in Louisiana we're all looking to get some reps. So I have my YouTube channel that you know we like dude making content with and stuff and so we had actually rented out a couple of venues back home and prior to that to get some reps and we had actually hosted some nine inning games, you know, with just a bunch of we call them sandlot games where we had we had fans come in we had some pa music all that stuff so but you know that went on and then you know I got opportunities i Hey, they're you know, they're putting together League and Juliet and so the super thrilled to just go play or whatever. So we're getting reps from doing wherever we could in that time to get reps and then now is getting opportunity to go facing arm so that was really that was really good for me. I got to go live with some guys up in in Joliet, Illinois and make that drive over there and you know definitely draw from that experience. A lot of a lot of a lot of things I needed to work on at the time, but you know, just to like, get my feet settled professionally, if you will. But it was a good environment to do that.
RM: That was also the summer you got drafted. Was that before the draft or after the draft? Correct,
HC: right. It was after. Yeah. So a couple months after
RM: I don't know if you know this, but Pelfrey was like involved in putting something like that together in Kentucky that like Fitzgerald played in and Logan Wyatt there was like, four team Kentucky league.
HC: I didn't know that. Yeah. I thought we were the only one. But we were just happy to be out there. It was weird, but that people telling us you know, it'll like we're all sitting in the dugout and they're like telling us to move away from each other. It was weird, but whatever we were doing where everybody couldn't play ball. Everybody was being weird about everything but you know, we got we got we needed and then that was that was a weird time.
RM: So it feels like your career has been really weird because like Milwaukee pushed you really hard so you like moved up levels quick. Then you like go through Miami back San Francisco. San Francisco takes you back down to like, complex was that just to like, get your feet under you kind of integrate you in the system. Get to know people what was that whole process like for you? Yeah,
HC: that was kind of it was kind of weird. I made a YouTube video about that too very without with my actual on scene like reaction to it. But I remember just being real like, like it had already happened to me. And it was like weird what before the guy my coach was gonna tell me like I already had the sensation they knew it was happening again or whatever but you know getting like getting getting traded to the Giants and then not coming straight here I guess was maybe like a shock to me. But at the same time, you know, like, I was reminded myself that I still had like adjustments I had to make anyways wherever and so to be honest, at that point, I was very like, very like whatever I was very motivated to to fix my craft and make my adjustments so bummed out to probably go to Arizona at first and but that's not my job to understand that so I wasn't trying to like push back on it or I didn't even I didn't feel like I made a fuss about it either. I was just I was happy to go play on a team and I got to play with a bunch of younger kids who kind of rejuvenated my love for the game regardless so I was able to you know, I whenever I got promoted to San Jose on that bus ride, you know, there's there's kids were so happy for me and they had never met me before but they were so happy to see me get promoted from rookie ball to Loei. So it was like, if nothing else, it was a great perspective. Enhancement alongside with the adjustments I may made for that. You know, a good a good full circle a year later to be back in the same spot. You know, it's a good opportunity. So that's, you know, if nothing else, I've tried to see it for that and, you know, try to work in that that lens. That's pretty cool.
RM: I now know that I have to go and watch your YouTube channel. So it's okay, so I'll end here. So now let's do your second year your backup to double a kind of full circle. Do you feel like comfortable? Do you feel like you're in a place that fit that? You know? How do you feel at this point going forward now?
HC: Yeah, I think last year I came in just with the thought thinking it was the same mindset of you know, I'm comfortable with I've prepared very well. You know, and just like last year I've there's a lot of offseason adjustments I've made based on last season that I feel like in the exact same way I'm equally as prepared with as much information as I had, you know, going into this year so I feel like I feel like lately just been going to come to the field and playing with my hair on fire. And that's what I love to do. So kind of been offered results, you know, because my career has kind of taught me that and I like playing that way. So that's the approach and you know, I feel adequately prepared as it did last year, but I definitely feel better because I've definitely made some improvements. So excited to see what's gonna happen ready to let it rip.
RM: You've got good hair to set on fire when you're playing it. Good luck. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm really glad to kind of get to know you and I can't wait to sort of watch your development through the season and good luck to hopefully you have great successes.
HC:Appreciate it. Thanks very much. Yes, sir. Thank you
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